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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 10, 2012 7:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire

Oh? And just who will you be wasting your vote on this year? Gary "I-won't-take-drones-off-the-table" Johnson? Good luck with that. I used to think the Greens could do it, but I'm not so sure anymore. The system we have is stacked against them. If you want third parties, you'll need to change the system first.

But let's assume for a minute that the system was more amenable to third parties. Even in that case, third parties that do nothing but field weak presidential candidates with no policy ideas and who have no plan for how they would actually govern the country do not interest me. The only way to create a lasting third party movement in this country is to grow it from the ground up. Even the Tea Party -- the closest thing we've had to a TP in recent memory -- basically had no platform except to eliminate all government revenue. Good luck running the show without any money! And even those "ideas" (if you can call them that) have pretty much been absorbed by the Republican Party.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Oct 10, 2012 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire

"The only way to create a lasting third party movement in this country is to grow it from the ground up." A difficult achievement, but I agree - the only route here is for the people to rise up and assert their need for a change in the process.

In addition to the limitations to the Tea Party that you noted - I have a real issue with their agenda, the shady "corporate" support, and a barely disguised, ugly racial undertone... tendrils of these issues are interwoven with the Repub party.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 10, 2012 9:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire

horse shit, all the ugly racial undertones were coming from liberals accusing them of having racial undertones. I'm no member of the TP, so don't even try to go there.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 10, 2012 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire - adding more fuel

Here are some of those ugly, and yet factually-based, accusations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/inge-marler-tea-party-arkansas-leader-racist-joke_n_1597334.html

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/12/12/387451/glenn-beck-suggests-tea-party-is-racist/?mobile=nc

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/25/are-tea-partiers-racist.html

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Oct 10, 2012 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire - adding more fuel

Whether shit floats or sinks, it's still shit and it still stinks the same.

http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html

Robert Byrd or Thomas Sowell?

Yeah, I know, make your sample group small enough and you can prove anything you want to.

Blatant racism exists in both mainstream parties. the Tea Party is no exception, but it is not as widespread as the media would have you believe.

But someone, anyone, please explain to me how Senator Robert Fucking Byrd, D-WV, self-admitted KKK Kleagle, and the party that embraced him as the "conscience of the Senate" got a pass from the media?

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 10, 2012 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire - adding more fuel

This isn't about finding one racist among thousands. This is about whether or not it's an organizing principle of the Tea Party. This article cites two studies indicating that it is.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/25/are-tea-partiers-racist.html

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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 10, 2012 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire - adding more fuel

"They want to put ya'll back in chains".
Racism and fear mongering at its finest.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 10, 2012 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire - adding more fuel

Hooray for our side!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5M_Ttstbgs

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Oct 10, 2012 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Looking for some political fire - adding more fuel

I would need to see the raw data used in the sample set to assess whether or not the two studies could stand up to real academic scrutiny.

My Occam's Razor gut tells me that right or left, the media presents what it wants to, regardless of the facts.